Your very passionate about your work vrocker, put it to good use.

Quote from: VRocker on February 10, 2010, 07:44:10 PM
I'd say FBS. It seems to be the best script for beginners and seems to work fairly well.

PsySQLite does look like it has a lot of features, although its very inefficient. There are unneeded loops and overusage of sqlite, making it heavy on I/O aswell as CPU.
Theres also a major memory leak in psysqlite, since a lot of the sqlite queries dont get freed from memory. I've watched this script happily use 1gig of ram in a few hours.

WSV is ok, although its buggy and windlord hasn't cared about it for ages, so theres been no bug fixes, even for the simple things.

Sansan uses the official dll, which also means that its letting mirc do all the parsing of the rcon packets. We all know mirc is slow and inefficient, so it really shouldn't be doing stuff to do with network packets
Same with GUS really, that and its heavily based on INIs (not sure with sansan, not really looked at it)

I have never really used any of these scripts personally, but i've had a breif look at many of them and hosted them. So my opinions are based on this.

all these creators were kind enough to code and share their work.

most of those points have no substance to back them up.

FBS, WSV, Psysqlite and sansan all worked for me and none of those issues you mentioned have ever occurred for me.


im glad i haven't shared my script, i wrote it as a beginner.

maybe other beginners will think twice before sharing their work in future if they only receive things such as "dont touch this" or "this is crap" from the community.

might be your downfall. might not be. who knows

sorry boss, I did not intend "insinuated" to come across offensive

Quote from: VRocker on February 09, 2010, 06:18:52 PM
theres functions in pawn to send/receive commands on the rcon, meaning people could add to the mIRC scripting stuff themselves.

would you elaborate for me please, as this sounds rather intriguing.

Quote from: Boss on February 09, 2010, 05:47:39 PM
*even longer sigh*

Quote from: Falcon on January 15, 2010, 10:53:05 AM
Well up to now vcmp has only had irc scripting released so all server's currently run std server with irc scripts. So trying to give them time to convert there modes in pawn.

That means: VC-MP used mrc in the past, but now Pawn is being developed and there is no valid reason to keep mrc.

Well, yes, 1 and 2 are not directly answered, but are slightly insinuated.

*even bigger sigh*  - for different reasons. (I spent 2 years creating my mIRC script, and don’t fancy another two years converting)

Thank you for your reply though.

After that long debate about squirrel, it has come to light that there might be a possibility that mIRC will no longer be supported in VC:MP.

1. Is this true?


If this is correct;

2. Will it become totally obsolete ? e.g, I will not be able to connect my current script to future server releases.

3. What sort of timescale would this happen in, and is it worth "brushing up" my mIRC script?

Quote from: maxorator on February 09, 2010, 01:33:56 PM
We haven't said we'll never add Squirrel. Some people prefer Pawn, some prefer Squirrel. The fact is, Pawn came first. It was decided long ago to add it to VC:MP. And we won't remove it. We can't start working on adding another scripting language when we're not done with this one yet.

That is a positive response windlord, be content with it.


Edit:
stop proclaiming to be some grammatical professor, we were only asking for evidence (as would anyone you approach with a proposition of this nature)

Edit2:
My glass is half full, how’s it looking for you?

Quote from: Windlord on February 09, 2010, 02:05:40 AM
SilenusShar:

QuoteIf you want evidence visit the unofficial forums and take a look at a Squirrel script. Then go to a samp forum and take a look at a pawn script.

The main reason no one bothers uploading benchmarks is because it's pointless.
Most of us can see that Squirrel is a faster and easier language for vcmp

Im not going to spend time digging about to prove your point for you.

i would laugh you out of the door if you proposed it to me in the manor you just have.

Your trying to convince the developers to implement it, not me. if they want to implement it "just on your word that its better" that would be up to them (rather foolish).


Edit:
This is an appalling attempt to ask for something to become implemented.

anyway.... good luck, i think your gonna need it.

Quote from: thijn on February 07, 2010, 09:54:14 AM
I don't see why this could be usefull

whats the point of stating this anyway ? surely people have minds of their own.

Those who find a need for it will use it, those who don't, "just walk by" as the expression goes.

thijn, learn this lesson in life. (or not, its up to you)

if you want to get your point accross to someone, make it a habbit to backup ALL claims/statistics you make with evidence.

E.g. if your quoting to the president that 23% of all americans wear blue socks, you must be sure this figure is accurate, providing solid proof to back it up.


ps, if that example is not close enough to home for you, i'll re explain with an example that is taylor made for you. :-)

well, whoever the real coder is, they certainly did a good job in the end. why did it take them 5 pages though... :/

EDIT:
the topic was a request for squirrel in VC:MP. a dev needs to test that and then decide.


EDIT2:
Surely a better approach to your problem would be to create a topic stating the reasons you think squirrel is better then pawn, and why, providing evidence (just like you did above) where necessary.

lol...would the real slim shady please stand up!

Quote from: [AoD]NC on February 08, 2010, 04:25:59 PM
And what will be the difference? 5 ms? Is that good enough to say that this or this is better?

Yes, wont be much, but they claim its faster than pawn. but surely you would want proof of that..?

anyway, its not my decision.

not to be pedantic /me points to the top of the forum

News: VC:MP 0.3z is released! http://vicecitymultiplayer.com

anyway, the squirrel lot need to put some evidence forward. code us some speed tests for us to compare with pawn.

you may be naive enough to do so but im not believing any rubbish without seeing evidence first.

the problem is, one person will make a statement, and the others fall for it hook line and sinker.

for example, GUS (mIRC) worked brilliantly for me, nice and fast, as did PsySQLite, FBS and WSV. but someone will make a remark and for some reason (i can only assume their own brains haven't fully developed) they will believe that person and not test the claim themselves.

VC:MP is just a fanstsy for kids at the moment, and untill there are some more mature people about this will always be the case.

Quote
everyone here likes squirrel

those people are just "lemmings" YOU MUST POST EVIDENCE to back up your claims.

Just so you know, im not on either side. im actually quite interested into which is better too.


So far you've stated that squirrel is;


faster - no evidence to back this claim up (post a speed procedure for us to test that and compare it against pawn)

easier, and shorter - seen a little evidence to back that up

Squirrel has much more functions than mIRC and Pawn - no evidence to back this claim up

can work along with ini, hash, SQLite and XML - that’s an incorrect statement (that’s built into VRockers server not a part of the squirrel language)

more beautiful - well, that’s just lame.


if i've missed any points out, please add them. but so far you've posted no catagoric evidence to back up most of what you've claimed