Quote from: Boss on March 06, 2010, 01:06:04 AM
Here's what I got at LW today till it crashed:

Noooo.

Haiti doesn't usually have major earthquakes so their buildings and infrastructure was not built to withstand such an earthquake. It was the largest earthquake they've had in 200 years. Chile, however, has them more often (the strongest earthquake ever recorded happened just a little bit to the south from the epicenter of the recent one). The Haiti earthquake occured in a densely populated area, whereas the Chile earthquake in a less populated area.

This is all just a wild guess though, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Well it was a rhetorical question anyway. The point is that we don't have the source code for VC so we don't know exactly why everything works the way it does.

Quote from: Forze on March 02, 2010, 05:31:21 PM

Quote from: Boss on March 02, 2010, 04:55:21 PM

Quote from: [AoD]NC on March 02, 2010, 04:12:40 PM
Lets ask a physicist what would happen when a heli would try to fly on the moon :p?

Um... it won't take off? Helicopter doesn't fly because there's gravity, it flies because of the pressure difference between the air above and below heli's main rotor (pressure below is higher). On Moon there's no atmosphere, so there's neither air nor air pressure. :/

Hmm mkay, but it'd be better if you explained us why the helicopter flies like that with no gravity in VC:MP :>

Why don't you send Rockstar an email?

Quote from: Kingston on February 26, 2010, 05:32:35 PM
2- i am report this topic for moderator

Lol? What am I supposed to do here?

The client "update" on the main site is just an installer that installs the latest version overwriting any older one. We assume people know how to use installers...

Well, if they see that message and try to find out how to update and come to this site (vicecitymultiplayer.com), the first thing they're gonna see is a big headline "Latest Pawn Server && Client Released 17.01.2010". How could we make it any more clear?

Alright I misunderstood the freedom of gameplay part of your posts. Sorry about that.

I understand your concern about UMS causing new players to think cheating is a normal part of the gameplay. I do not deny the problem.

And sorry about the "whining" comment. I was just pretty tired of this all after reading all the posts. Your first posts had some arguments based on misinformation, which instantly caused a flame war instead of receiving thorough responses explaining everything fully which it should have.

Please keep off-topic and personal stuff out of this thread.

Quote from: Paraphrased from ULK.HeAD's postsArgument 1
UMS needs more active administrators to keep away cheaters.

I actually agree that it would be good to have more active administrators on UMS. But honestly, we just don't have time to deal with UMS issues. The server is run by bakasan, who has been so busy recently that he hasn't even been online (has like a four-man workload at the moment). Even if he finds some free time, it makes more sense to spend it on developing VC:MP than administrating UMS. Me and Falcon also don't have much free time so VC:MP is our priority. It might not be that difficult to recruit new administrators who would start dealing with recruiting and stuff like that, but so far we haven't gotten around to doing so. People whining about it doesn't make it happen any sooner though, since currently we have other issues to deal with.

Quote from: Paraphrased from ULK.HeAD's postsArgument 2
UMS is a beta server. All beta testers are UMS administrators.

First of all, I would like to clarify that UMS doesn't use beta server script, beta server used UMS script. Besides, beta testing cannot be done on an official (read: outdated) release. Therefore UMS is not related to beta testing in any way. Also, beta testers aren't instantly given any rights in UMS. But in case beta testers should apply for an administrator, they will be accepted since they have already proven themselves. Applying to be an administrator in UMS doesn't require you to be beta tester however. Beta team in general is not responsible for what goes on in UMS.

Quote from: Paraphrased from ULK.HeAD's postsArgument 3
Beta team is inactive. More beta testers are needed.

Currently the amount of active testers is quite acceptable (around 15). The percents don't matter since the complete list of testers is huge. Also we are always in the lookout for new testers. For example in the last few weeks we have recruited 4 new testers.

Quote from: Paraphrased from ULK.HeAD's postsArgument 4
UMS is a serious problem of VC:MP because it has a high concentration of cheaters.

Last time I checked UMS was a server, not a multiplayer mod. The problems of VC:MP are bugs, lack of features and other similar things. If you don't like UMS, don't go there. Of course we should improve UMS, but like I told you, we haven't had time for that yet. We expect to have new servers due to more stable gameplay and a huge leap in the amount of features.

Quote from: Paraphrased from ULK.HeAD's postsArgument 5
UMS steals other servers' players because they like to cheat in UMS instead of playing fair in other servers.

Didn't you have the principle that you don't unban cheaters? So basically if the players who play at your servers would cheat if they know the probability of getting banned is low, they are "less cheaters" than those who cheat even if they know they will most likely get banned? So you are saying UMS is stealing cheaters from other servers. To me it seems everyone else wins from this except for UMS itself.

Quote from: Paraphrased from ULK.HeAD's postsArgument 6
UMS has too much "freedom" as in hunters, rocket launchers and so on. No proper stubby fights.

We are not here to argue about tastes. You obviously don't like this type of "freedom", but some people consider it fun and relaxing instead of having to take the game too seriously. That "1vs1 stubby fight" style is just one of hundreds of styles.

Quote from: Paraphrased from ULK.HeAD's postsArgument 7
Beta team tests in UMS along with cheaters.

False. Beta team tests in a beta server using the latest beta release.

Quote from: Paraphrased from ULK.HeAD's postsArgument 8
Developers should search for bugs by waiting for bug reports by UMS players instead of having a beta team.

This is simply absurd. Most of the bugs that are present in R2 are already fixed in current beta releases and the beta team is testing whole new features for bugs on a beta version, where most of the known bugs have been fixed, so we won't have to wonder whether that bug has been reported yet or not, since most of them are fixed and don't occur anymore. Besides, a beta team knows how to test properly, listens to what developers ask them to test and offer much better feedback than normal players would. I've tried asking normal players to test something in UMS. The usual response is a rocket in the face.

Quote from: Paraphrased from ULK.HeAD's postsArgument 9
Beta testers are not good at my favourite game style (stubby fighting).

What does it have to do with beta testing? VC:MP is not a clan, it's software.

Quote from: Paraphrased from ULK.HeAD's postsArgument 10
UMS is a testing and breeding ground for cheaters.

This is simply an exaggeration. There wouldn't be less cheaters in other servers if UMS had more active administrators. Probably it would be the opposite since then the cheaters would have to play more on other servers.


VC:MP != UMS. Stop addressing the management of UMS as VC:MP developers and beta testers. And please do not talk about how beta testing should work if you don't know anything about the technical side.

This is a documentation topic and shouldn't be locked unless the information it contains becomes outdated.

We won't remove beta tester status from inactive people. But I think it's a good idea though to recruit new testers so the active tester count wouldn't be too low.

We haven't said we'll never add Squirrel. Some people prefer Pawn, some prefer Squirrel. The fact is, Pawn came first. It was decided long ago to add it to VC:MP. And we won't remove it. We can't start working on adding another scripting language when we're not done with this one yet.

It's the same bug (/me always used last client message color, when client messages hadn't been used, it was black). And it's fixed.

Actually it's fixed already. The patch (including many other fixes and updates) is just not released yet.

Currently it's not possible to mix normal skins and special skins (normal skins are below 106 and special skins are above).