Server down and that just 2 moths after the topic was created.

Or

You can remove every weapon from a player when entering the bank and give it back when he leaves it .

Yeah yeah, sure. You know what, I always appreciated you for two things: 1. you are longer in that "business" than me and 2. for everything you done towards GTA3:MTA. But you're behaving like a person who thinks that he knows better than everyone around. For your information, I spent many time on learning all aspects of SCM and I know some basic tricks of memory hooking.

And please, stop repeating that I'm "***iting" (what?) on the GTA MP community. And this makes me sick, when you change my words just to write a few lines more. I have never said anything bad about any GTA community.

You don't need to respond, because you won't get a reply in this topic from me. This discussion with you is pointless and from us both, the wiser decided to stop it.

Live in peace.

@SugarD:
1. You obviously have no clue as to what you are talking about. Again, my point was that without SCM it would be almost impossible to take on memory hacking and therefore learning how SCM works was the biggest step in modding GTA. GTA IV uses so called "native" scripting language instead of SCM. Again, without knowing anything about the "native" one, there would be no progress on IVMP. Capisci? SA was released in the middle of 2005. And there are many interesting mods released till that time. Just to notice, Barton Waterduck, an icon of GTA modding, started working on various projects in 2003.

The truth is, no matter what I say, you will always refuse anything, because everything is a lie for you. Live in peace in MTA:3 era .

@dynavolt: fortunately no start. I'm bored of bouncing against a wall.

@Strike: No bnc for idling :>.

Freaky Chinese ;o.

@SugarD:
2. You forgot about two things. First, this mod is not on the largest GTA mod base and I’m basing on it. Second, this mod is nothing new and as you said “Can you come up with a decent, fun mod that you know how to make that hasn't been created already?”. There are at least a few mods to remove the loading screens, to remove the aircraft and for sure some to disable going into the pause menu after alt-tab. One of a well-known trick is to turn on the black-bars widescreen feature. So, it is nothing new. Now your point was null and void.
3. The xfire website is down now so I can’t get the statistics, but it was something like a few hundred people playing VC and few thousand SA. So it does work. Maybe there are issues with MTASA (which makes the GTA SA count lower there), but VCMP works perfectly from what I remember. And again you’re wrong. It is an accurate data. Fortunately, I’ve had some statistics lessons recently and I know that it is impossible to create perfect stats from the whole group, so you make stats basing on a smaller, representative group (e.g. you get a group of 1000 people, ask them “who do you vote for on the next election?” and get a very similar score to the official stats after the election, where millions people voted). And the XFire stats are really close. The proportion of VCMP to VC players is almost the same as the proportion of SAMP/MTASA to SA players. Anything else?
4. Please show me those kids then. Blaming on my age makes sense. One or two years ago, max was not so busy with his studies as now he is and worked on VCMP. Leave VCMP because of my age and play IVMP? Nonono, where did you get this from?
5. No, the community doesn’t work so. Some projects die, even when the mods were played by a large amount of player, look at Vice City Rage for GTA4. I guess you are referring only to MTA:III and VC?
7. Nonono. In both cases it was the developers choice to either release a stable version or betas. The IVMP team could also wait 4-5 years to release a stable version first, but they didn’t decide so, which was a right choice IMO.  Also, do you think no one will not download IVMP, because it is named “beta” or “rc”?  I think no one cares it it’s an alpha, beta, gamma, rc, nightly or stable version. If it’s playable, they download it.
8. I suggest you to relax and stop posting ****, because stairs look awful.
9. SIR, YES, SIR!

@Stormeus: one more time, now everything together. I posted in this thread various reasons, why a kid who just bought a PC, will look towards GTA 4 (or maybe even SA, after he hears that many people plays multiplayer) and won’t even take a look on VC (you may not agree, but these are the facts). Of course, there are always a few exceptions… Right? So, if they won’t play VC, they won’t be a part of the VCMP community (obvious). VCMP’s mission should be therefore to make the current community, emm “stable”, because the possibility of reaching a player base at least 1k is impossible now. The highest regular player count now is 130. With an amazing 0.4, we could reach 150-200 (almost double the number, depends on how many players will come back after they hear the magic keyword), but it’s still nothing comparing to SA multiplayers.

Steam version - VC v2.0 doesn't allow to play VCMP
Mobile - no

Wow, what an unbelievable news! Let's refer to gtaf one more time. Compare the amount of posts at the VC board and GTA SA or GTA4 posted recently, the difference is huge. Now let's check the recently submitted mods on gtainside.de for example, probably the biggest site with GTA mods. Not even one VC mod was submitted in this month so far, while for SA or 4... As you see. Another fact: the xfire statistics. Sure, not everyone uses xfire, but the statistics found on http://www.xfire.com/games/gtavc and http://www.xfire.com/games/gtasa shows one more time the interest of the community into both games.

One fact, which you can't argue about, at least I hope so . WE (= players, who are playing VCMP for over a year) are the main force, power etc. of VCMP. But unfortunately WE are getting older, we have more troubles, issues and work than we had when we started playing VCMP for example. And WE will have less time for playing games (or? ). And so, the main force will be weaker, if there won't be many new players around, who want to stick with this game for a longer time. And as you clearly see from the examples I posted above, our chances to get new players are not big.

Of course there is a point of everything (what have I wrote rofl ). We just need to make VCMP more like MTASA. I heard one time a nice quote, it gone like this: "GTA SA is a game. MTASA changed a game (SA) to a (gaming) engine". I messed it, but doesn't matter. This is what VCMP needs to do. Use VC as an engine, hack the game as much as possible. Then we can create any "game" we want, based on VC. I see that we could do it. First step should be to include Maxo's VL to VCMP .

Still talking about LU? Okay, so why is LU not as popular as VCMP?
1. GTA3, really. I played GTA3 after VC & SA, which was a terrible mistake. People who started with III loved this game, while it was for me a simpler version of VC (amount of weapons, cars, no bikes, helicopters).
2. The release date. Maybe if LU would have been released by the same time when VCMP, the community size of both game had been similar.

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There is a difference between SP and MP. I know several persons who love SP, but they don't even think of playing this game with other players. However, I don't know the reason, so we can just guess.

No, because VCMP has maybe 100 functions if not less (wild guess), while SAMP has many more.