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VCMP... even if they got the best coders working on it non-stop, it's just not going anywhere. It's fine for now with it's current players but people don't really join it anymore.Really, says who? You?
Sebihunter only does the web stuff. Jenksta is semi-retired. XForce is one of the few I've seen doing tons of updates for awhile now. The other people are just contributors last I checked. Their project is open-source, so that isn't even close to being a fair comparison, and it does not mean they are having better luck than VC:MP is. As said many times now, they need help too. We all do.Not just a couple, for the last few weeks there's been:I may be a slight fanboy for IVMP, but just recently a bunch of new people are working hard on developing it, it is going well. If you look at the video updates of the nightly build you will see it. Sync is perfect right now, they make loads of updates every day, once RC3 is out they should have a stable version with loads of cool server and client side functions. Obviously they're not like M2MP's level, but they are nothing like the VCMP situation.You may want to get to know the Developers then. They have said themselves that things are tough. They may be making progress, but right now it has only been a couple extremely-dedicated people working on it. They are in serious need of help. Either way, that is not what this conversation is about.
blazee
sebihunter
crackhd
xforce
jenksta
ru.mysqld (whoever that is lol)
Some put more work in than others, and they may do it at different times for example blazee has put in a load of work over the last week, jenksta was putting in a lot a week or two back. IVMP isn't in that bad of a situation as people thing, it's currently got people working on it at all times to go for a stable version. When IVMP finally has a stable 0.1 release (RC3) it will be in quite a good position considering the features and the sync, and obviously that it's GTA IV.
I may be a slight fanboy for IVMP, but just recently a bunch of new people are working hard on developing it, it is going well. If you look at the video updates of the nightly build you will see it. Sync is perfect right now, they make loads of updates every day, once RC3 is out they should have a stable version with loads of cool server and client side functions. Obviously they're not like M2MP's level, but they are nothing like the VCMP situation.You may want to get to know the Developers then. They have said themselves that things are tough. They may be making progress, but right now it has only been a couple extremely-dedicated people working on it. They are in serious need of help. Either way, that is not what this conversation is about.
Actually IV:MP isn't dead. They've got a good amount of active developers working towards a new version, I've seen nightly builds and they're making massive progress.I didn't say they are dead. I said they are struggling, and yes, they are struggling. They have admitted it time and again.
Exactly. If anything, SMF is one of the most proactive forums out there at powering out updates when an exploit is discovered.SMF is not a new projects, but the developers are still making mistakes and then quickly fixing it.
That principle applies to every piece of software that has ever existed, including Windows, and even including VC:MP.
Seriously, the player count will definitely not increase much, even if you stand on your head.Ya, considering the forums were previously attacked, no one knows the URL to VC:MP's website, and no one has released an update in years. That is why the mod and it's web services have lost popularity. Nothing more. Hell, the forum wasn't even using a modernized version until a year or two ago. The website itself barely stayed online, and contained no links to the forum. Blaming the mod for something that is a failure of advertising makes absolutely no sense.
I counted, there are 12 posts posted for 4,5 months at the GTAF-VCMP section, which is definitely not much.
This really depends if whoever has the host account is active.Not really. Anyone with access to the Package Manager can do it. That would basically be any VC:MP Developer.
@Saint: how can you be tired of drinking vodka1. It's possible, but many of them had a personal hatred for MTA:VC and VC:MP due to the lack of updates, hence why they created their own in competition.?
@SugarD: maybe all those unknowns simply changed their nicks they used before.
From my experience, I know a few people who tried to move from SAMP/MTASA to VCMP. Everyone said this game is shit, because you mostly fight with stubby, whereas in SA multiplayers you use every possible weapon. M4, DE, nades etc.
Yes, someone will always play a game, no matter how old it is
Ankeborg RPG, hearing this name for first time. But found it via google. Looks like it was a huge project anyway.If you're referring at all to Vice Players and it's "open source" counterpart from the times when IV:MP changed their name for an open-source off-shoot, both of those projects are now dead.
And VCO was for sure not the last effort to save the multiplayer community, as I noticed a long time ago at least two MP projects for VC, but hidden in the darkness. Yes I'm repeating myself
SMF has more (security) holes than cheeseThey patch them before the mice find them.
@SugarD: congratz to him then. Of course you can be promoted from coding a MP for GTA3 to coding one for GTA4, but the whole game is different, so you need to start from basics.1. Yes and no. You only need to learn the differences. Many of the tools, methods, and information is generally the same, aside from some obvious things. It's not very hard to pick it up if you understand the internal workings of the newer design. From there it's just a matter of learning the details. The overall process is still the same in the mindset of things.
Btw. there are (were) a few skilled programmers around, who are sitting somewhere in the darkness. Again, I give an example of VCO. Regex, Deceifier, Koolio etc. They were all unknowns for me when they started working on VCO, but they showed that they can code.
1. Fans were pissed, but mostly fans who played older GTA's. If someone started his "gta career" with GTA4, I'm sure he liked it. For me GTA4 wasn't that bad. It has a long story, large map and more realistic physics, but somehow it's not the same fun as in GTA3 or VC, where stunting with a car or bike costed you some HP or blown vehicle, whereas in GTA4 you are deadMany of them were unknown. In fact, many of them I didn't even know, and I know almost all the old veterans and MTA Developers, past and present.. But it wasn't bad.
For me, the main reasons for lack of interest:
1. Less updates. Really. Recently I wanted to download a tool for disk defrag, I searched the best and the recently updated one. When I see that a program was last updated 5 years ago, it means to me that it is discontinued.
2. The games. As I said the future belongs to new games, because potential new players choose them.
3. No promotion.
Please tell me SugarD, how many of players that participated in the MTA R2 beta test were unknown for you? I think you know all of them. They came to see what's up with the good old MTA VC. But how many players does MTA R2 has in average during the week? Okay...
Plus, IV:MP is an unofficial mod, because GTA4 has got a build-in MP mode. It sucks from what I've heard, but doesn't matter
Why not use 2.0.4 ?That is exactly what I'm talking about. 2.0.3 and 2.0.4 can be installed to any SMF 2.0.2 forum via the Package Manager. SMF 2.x offers this method of updating.