Vice City Multiplayer
General Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: hellboy_vkk on May 16, 2013, 07:50:43 pm
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Is not there any policy that no one can copy a server name or something as a shit server is trying to copy my server ??
moreover they are using a leaked version of my server which was outdated and fully scripted by me , which also include a RAT (Remote Administrative Tool) added by the raged owner to hack the PC of those who download it lol.
5.175.146.83:5192 <- the low life guys
LOL
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I was talking with them to change the name they said that was not why you are gaining advantage over his former admin
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as i clearly mentioned at the unofficial forum "God bless who ever going to debug it ,and I suggest before using it remove the RAT ".
There should be a policy that one cannot copy a server name .
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There should be a policy that one cannot copy a server name .
There's no way of being able to successfully regulate this globally without any sort of drawbacks, unless you legally trademark the name of your server. The most successful (relatively speaking) solution that I can think of off the top of my head is that servers on the Internet list cannot duplicate other server names. However, adding or changing a single character would break this, and if they were to copy your server name exactly, they can effectively hold it hostage if your server goes down.
See if you can find their hosting provider (if they use one) and send a message to their owner; VC:MP hosters are generally responsive to this kind of issue.
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yeah, nothing can be done about this. VC:MP devs can probably manually blacklist your server ip from the msl but that's about it.
remember EA back then when it was called XA American Server and before it became super cool? :P
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There should be a policy that one cannot copy a server name .
There's no way of being able to successfully regulate this globally without any sort of drawbacks, unless you legally trademark the name of your server. The most successful (relatively speaking) solution that I can think of off the top of my head is that servers on the Internet list cannot duplicate other server names. However, adding or changing a single character would break this, and if they were to copy your server name exactly, they can effectively hold it hostage if your server goes down.
See if you can find their hosting provider (if they use one) and send a message to their owner; VC:MP hosters are generally responsive to this kind of issue.
I'm saying the same , when I put my server details on the official VC-MP forum , it means its copy righted in a way (I assume so, and hope the same for you) moreover after that the respective VC-MP devs should make a police regarding the sever names like it should not match 80% or 85% (just an example) .
I hope you do agree with this as all know its easy to get players when you copy a server name like XE, LW or VCCNR.
yeah, nothing can be done about this. VC:MP devs can probably manually blacklist your server ip from the msl but that's about it.
Probably that could be a solution to this or the solution could be registering server names at the official forum or some other similar methods.
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If I register facebook.tk, I don't have legal rights to the name "Facebook." Besides, going to the courts would be excessive, expensive, and not worth it.
VC-MP devs should make a police regarding the sever names like it should not match 80% or 85% (just an example)
1. How do you determine which server is the authentic one?
2. There are better uses of free time.
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If I register facebook.tk, I don't have legal rights to the name "Facebook." Besides, going to the courts would be excessive, expensive, and not worth it.
so u mean to say we shall not consider it an issue that worth attention or do you mean to say that its kinda legal?
1. How do you determine which server is the authentic one?
2. There are better uses of free time.
for 1. I gave a suggestion just after that , there should be something like registration system
for 2. do you again mean copying of server name does not worth anything and should be done?
In a way you just promoted them.
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1. Why La has many functions and commands Different and System's
2. Yes there
;)
this and my opinion as a player of her
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LOL:
(http://i.imgur.com/KB7tceE.png)
;D
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I don't support server name copycats, but we can't spend our time "policing" the server list for this kind of issue, nor would we be able to accurately determine which server is "authentic" in cases that don't involve major servers, nor would we be able to create an accurate, simple method of registering servers without the risk of the real server being locked out of their own name.
If it's supposed to be easy for server owners and scripters to get started, this is not an issue that we can spend significant amounts of time trying to rectify.
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I have a feeling it's been done by someone within your administrator team because the subnets of both servers are the same. Try contacting your host provider.
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I have a feeling it's been done by someone within your administrator team because the subnets of both servers are the same. Try contacting your host provider.
Fuzzy In my 1st post i had mentioned about a raged owner , who had old script. But my concern is not that old bugged script but the server name.
but we can't spend our time "policing" the server list for this kind of issue , nor would we be able to accurately determine which server is "authentic" in cases that don't involve major servers, nor would we be able to create an accurate, simple method of registering servers without the risk of the real server being locked out of their own name.
So you think that this is not an issue of any concern , alright So it means if someone copy a server name , VC-MP Beta tester say that they have got own problem and they don't have time for this issue .
COOL
about the rest , Beta tester's words "if you do it properly , anything can be done".
this is not an issue that we can spend significant amounts of time trying to rectify.
Or in other words "Its not our problem , we won't take action unless its our problem", right? (by we i just mean Stormeus atm)
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Well if you can come up with a solution that works 99.9% of the time without having to babysit the server list for copycats around the clock, feel free to share it and maybe the devs will use it.
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can you please explain the meaning of babysitting??
the simplest way is that make a list of the servers which are in the http://forum.vicecitymultiplayer.com/index.php?board=38.0 (http://forum.vicecitymultiplayer.com/index.php?board=38.0) section of the vcmp official forum which will take hardly 5 mins (in case you are too lazy else just 2 mins) and then place a bot at the vcmp main server's host which at regular interval check the names of the main server list and compare them with the server names of the servers in the list you will make (that's need not to be on same host , so that you can edit it any time making you not to disturb devs anymore :P ). if it match 80% temp ban that ip at the host of vcmp official forum or main server.
that's just 1 suggestion which is the simplest one and won't take more than 15 mins to code the bot.
but if you call all that baby sitting No one can help in that.
btw you are replying to this thread since 3-4 days , and if 15 mins are like baby sitting to you i'll just say God help me!
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you said you included a RAT(Remote Administration Tool) , with this you can control his/her pc so why don't you just enter in his pc and delete your whole script?
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you said you included a RAT(Remote Administration Tool) , with this you can control his/her pc so why don't you just enter in his pc and delete your whole script?
Karan did u misread?
I didn't include any RAT in anything.
Its old owner's trick to get targets for fun ( as u know his nature quite well).
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Who exactly is this "raging owner" you speak of? I can only presume who you mean and to get in bed with such a person is solely your mistake, so don't expect the VC:MP developers to clean up after you. It's clearly an internal issue, between you and the unfaithful "raging" owner. If he is an owner like you say, he must have as much right to the name as you do? My advice to you is have better judgment when picking who you work with.
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Who exactly is this "raging owner" you speak of? I can only presume who you mean and to get in bed with such a person is solely your mistake, so don't expect the VC:MP developers to clean up after you. It's clearly an internal issue, between you and the unfaithful "raging" owner. If he is an owner like you say, he must have as much right to the name as you do? My advice to you is have better judgment when picking who you work with.
Sorry that i cannot take your quote in points as i'm at mobile.
First , all player know the raged owner .
2nd , that server is hosted by Mr.xxx who in real is [sp]prashanth , who was nothing in my staff.
3rd , that raged ower was not the scripter but just forum owner.
4th you said an owner (who was not scripter, just forum owner n had access to old files ) has rights to start a server with same name then i'll just say "da".
5th its not internal matter , so please stop assuming things and clearout your doubts if you have any.
6th i'm not asking vcmp to clear my things, its a global concern that i raised.
At last i would like to say the same to you , my advice to you is have better judgment when picking who you work with.
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This is infact an internal matter between you and this [sp]prashanth. Try contacting him and discuss it.
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This is infact an internal matter between you and this [sp]prashanth. Try contacting him and discuss it.
LOL
Hahahaha
And if someone else put the same name then it would be internal matter between me and him?
Hahaha
Cmon , give me a break n post after thinking what you are posting.
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What Klaus and I were meaning is this current matter is an internal matter. We are not meaning future or general. Learn to read. ;)
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you should learn to read first as i clearly mention in my msg to klaus
5th its not internal matter , so please stop assuming things and clearout your doubts if you have any.
:)
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You don't understand a shit don't you... Whoever copied your server name is now an internal issue which has nothing to do with the VC:MP community. If you want your users to be notified, post it in your server's forum or something.
Anyway, what you should do right now is stop arguing and try contacting [sp]prashanth. If this fails, try contacting his host. There's no point of settling things here.
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You don't understand a shit don't you... Whoever copied your server name is now an internal issue which has nothing to do with the VC:MP community. If you want your users to be notified, post it in your server's forum or something.
Anyway, what you should do right now is stop arguing and try contacting [sp]prashanth. If this fails, try contacting his host. There's no point of settling things here.
LOL , You mean to say that if i copy the server name its my and the original server owner's internal matter? LOL
servers are part of VCMP community and vcmp community should have control over such things and as I had talked to Falcon and Stromeus , they both accepted that its not my internal matter but VCMP matter .
God , are you posting without thinking anything or what? (no offense but it seems to be the case that you are not using your mind).
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its not internal matter its a global concern that i raised
So it's a global concern that two server owners had a falling out? These scripts were not stolen from what I can gather, since technically you gave him your scripts by posting them on a forum you knew he had access to. If you didn't initially trust him with your scripts you wouldn't of done so, am I right? This means that the scripts were not obtained illegally; You also failed to set out any kind of NDA protecting your work. Your mistakes, your problem. It's not a global concern, do you really think the whole community actually cares about your scripts? Your not even an official server..
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So it's a global concern that two server owners had a falling out? These scripts were not stolen from what I can gather, since technically you gave him your scripts by posting them on a forum you knew he had access to. If you didn't initially trust him with your scripts you wouldn't of done so, am I right? This means that the scripts were not obtained illegally; You also failed to set out any kind of NDA protecting your work. Your mistakes, your problem.
You are partially right about the raged owner , but the thing i raised is not that my script got stolen or something , the issue i raised up is someone else is using the same name , and by someone else i didn't mean the raged owner .
the one who was hosting that server and was claiming it to be vccnr was not the raged owner .
and about the protection , its already protected as the script which got leaked was 0.1 while we are at 2.0 which is fully debugged and much more advanced version of 0.1.
do you really think the whole community actually cares about your scripts?
READ ABOVE I DIDN'T TALK THAT SOMEONE STOLE MY SCRIPT AND BAN HIS IP COZ HE STOLE MY SCRIPT .
Your not even an official server..
You are official but does not fit into any requirement ,more over its not about being official or not .
At last , try to be good reader and if you cannot understand English tell me the language you can understand , I will reply in that so that you don't assume thing and work on your imaginations .
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It's an even less of a concern then, I thought due to the hype something actually worth something was being used. All this over a un-copyrighted name? It's not like it's a very original one either.
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Once again you proved that you didn't read the topic n posted .
The thing u said about copy right was already raised by stromeus n i had answered him .
Btw , read the topic then reply as I don't want to waste my time repeating the same thing for a bad reader n hoping that he will read it this time.
Btw , which server name is copy righted according to you?
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VC-MP is almost 8 years old. It's FIRST time something like this happened. Nobody ever tried to copy LW/XE/EA/Sky-City server name but these are/were the most popular servers. It's just your private problem that your friend or former admin copied your server name. I don't see a point in making a bot/script/system that'll protect server names, it's waste of time.
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There is no EULA or terms of use for servers. We only regulate the official masterlist (which isn't even the only masterlist -- Squirrel servers announce to a backup list), and the developers alone can remove servers only from it for whatever they feel is necessary. We do not have complete control over servers, and there are no backdoors that would allow us to shut down a server if it were to violate any of the arbitrary conditions we come up with.
That being said, we are not obligated to make this a global issue.
It's FIRST time something like this happened. Nobody ever tried to copy LW/XE/EA/Sky-City server name but these are/were the most popular servers. I don't see a point in making a bot/script/system that'll protect server names, it's waste of time.
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VC-MP is almost 8 years old. It's FIRST time something like this happened. Nobody ever tried to copy LW/XE/EA/Sky-City server name but these are/were the most popular servers. It's just your private problem that your friend or former admin copied your server name. I don't see a point in making a bot/script/system that'll protect server names, it's waste of time.
Lol , nice logic.
Btw except sky-city (which is no more popular) rest all are official servers and everyone know you will take action quickly in that case .
Some guy in recent past had copied mega war n had named it mega war: 2, you might be sleeping that time coz that time mega war was in top 3 .
VCCNR is also in top 3 servers after LW n Xe , but you might be sleeping as usual.
VCCNR has reached this place in almost 6 months which others took ages n many got failed (one such fail in official severs too, but bingo you are still sleeping).
Moreover being beta tester your reply was totaly out of logic coz you were sleeping all the time n just opned your eyes for a moment to reply, but you forgot to read the complete topic.
I clearly had said Mr.XXX was neither that owner nor was in my staff nor was banned at my server.
Please wake up and reply.
Btw i had closed that server my way 1 day earlier still reply as I feel vcmp should make some terms and regulations.
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There is no EULA or terms of use for servers. We only regulate the official masterlist (which isn't even the only masterlist -- Squirrel servers announce to a backup list), and the developers alone can remove servers only from it for whatever they feel is necessary. We do not have complete control over servers, and there are no backdoors that would allow us to shut down a server if it were to violate any of the arbitrary conditions we come up with.
That being said, we are not obligated to make this a global issue.
You mean to say you don't know how to temp ban an ip at the ip-tables or devs can't put up a running bot moreover squirrel serves also announce to a backup list which has got nothing to do with the official browser.
Just accept that "its not our issue , we would've taken action if it was ours".
Or just say its legal so that people can use Lw n XE as the server names .
Btw One can't do anything when they don't want to do it.
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A practical solution could be that someone spreads a rumor by quoting a post from an unofficial forum, which says that someone's friend was told by a guy's brother that a dude (probably a developer called minorator) informed his friend off the records that there would be a 'Report server' button in 0.4's Masterlist. Users will be able to report a server for violating certain norms.
Then everybody calm their tits about a problem that occurs once a decade and lasts a few days. They would probably forget about it by the time 0.4 actually comes out.
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aXXo but the beta tester are saying that they have no control over anything , they are just beta testers and if they make any such thing that will be their waste of time.
as you can read the reply of stormeus.
There is no EULA or terms of use for servers.
So copy server names , they don't care .
And calling it internal matter -.-
like mega war had internal matter , and if someone copy XE or LW's name , it will be their internal matter as "There is no EULA or terms of use for servers."
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We can control our own masterlist. There's just no reason to set up automatic name protection systems for something that happens once every 9999999 years, nor are we forced to intervene in matters like this (which doesn't even matter -- only the devs can do anything about it).
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We can control our own masterlist. There's just no reason to set up automatic name protection systems for something that happens once every 9999999 years, nor are we forced to intervene in matters like this (which doesn't even matter -- only the devs can do anything about it).
At first you said that would be baby sitting so I suggested you a nice way , then you said that you too want a solution to this in my pm and then you said its all useless .. well make up your mind .
more over making a community vcmp does not just means developing a multiplayer but also putting certain rules and regulations over it .. btw now you said that happen once in 9999999 years .. well no I'm playing vcmp since an year and i've seen it twice .
please put proper stats .
"which doesn't even matter " da... you wasted enough time in replying .. and you said you don't want to waste your time in coding .. GOD.
BTW my issue is already resolved , I was replying in a hope that you people will understand the issue and will put up some regulations but you clearly said :
There is no EULA or terms of use for servers.
Means its legal.
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now and Argonath RPG that was copied the name looks:
HostName: Argonath RPG
Address: 5.175.146.83:5192
Players: 0 / 50
Mode: RPG v1.95d
Map: Vice-City
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now and Argonath RPG that was copied the name looks:
HostName: Argonath RPG
Address: 5.175.146.83:5192
Players: 0 / 50
Mode: RPG v1.95d
Map: Vice-City
But its legal now LOL
hahaha
OMG.
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We're sleeping now.
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But its legal now LOL
hahaha
OMG.
It's like you expect me to care.
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We're sleeping now.
Yup you are, sweet dreams.
But its legal now LOL
hahaha
OMG.
It's like you expect me to care.
Nopes , I can't expect a double minded person to care.
btw as its legal (according to stormeus) i'm locking the topic.
at last, its useless to raise a global issue in vcmp unless it include the devs or beta testers.