Vice City Multiplayer
General Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: dlc999 on September 10, 2014, 02:29:03 pm
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The main reason why I created this topic is because I wanted to ask: Is VC:MP team still alive?
I started playing VC:MP years ago and it was just awesome but I didn't expect that anyone won't upgrade this version to the next one in 5 years.You can see yourself how everybody is leaving this game because they're bored of the same things,there are only deathmatches servers;some people were asking scripters to make different servers with different stuff except deathmatch but they always say VC:MP lacks of functions.It's a spiral of accusations,scripters say it's VC:MP fault and VC:MP team say it's not their problem etc.What I was really able to see is that none from the VC:MP Dev team gives an actually shit about this community except Stormeus(rarely helped by another dev) but do you think that he can afford everything alone?You just left him doing everything alone without any help,how can you think this community will ever grow up ?Now talking about the team itself,how much of them are active?You promoted the LU devs here but you were blind that they were inactive,does anyone know something concrete made by them except that browser for windows seven?VC:MP is in a tilt from 5 years ,what should we say,congratulations?You can recruit some more people in your team just like
-Fuzzy : active scripter and helping when needed
-Gudio: same as above
-Seby: same as above,he creates a lot of things too
these are not the only guys who at least give some attention to VC:MP,there are some more.I actually don't find that quote from Gudio with Vrocker that says he's too lazy in doing something then correting himself saying busy.Will somebody give some more attention to VC:MP or shall we say good bye to this game and you'll continue recruiting lazy devs?
Thank you for reading this topic or at least reading its title,I don't expect something to be changed but who knows...
Have a nice day.
yes I'm using HS
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I don't get you guys, you can't read or what ? 0.4 is out as beta (which is very close to release) for plenty of time, scripters refuse to upgrade their server.
maxorator coded 0.4 and most of it's functions, ofc, with some help by Stormeus. Stormeus coded the Squirrel module for 0.4, he was helped with some fixes by Gudio, what's your problem?
This (http://forum.vicecitymultiplayer.com/index.php?board=17.0) is the 0.4 Public Beta board in case you didn't notice it...
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lol (http://forum.vicecitymultiplayer.com/index.php?topic=6907.0)
none from the VC:MP Dev team gives an actually shit about this community except Stormeus(rarely helped by another dev)
This is actually completely false since maxorator wrote 0.4 from scratch almost entirely by himself. I've helped out with some minor bugs and outlying feature requests but I can guarantee that at least 80% of crash and bugfixes since 0.4 Beta 1 have been by him as well.
Vrocker that says he's too lazy in doing something then correting himself saying busy
Believe it or not, VRocker is a busy person with a job and life like the rest of our devs. However, he also provides a lot of the infrastructure we use for maintaining our development work, so saying he doesn't do anything for development is a large understatement.
You promoted the LU devs here but you were blind that they were inactive,does anyone know something concrete made by them except that browser for windows seven?
- The old R2 mIRC DLL
- The R2 Squirrel server
- All of Liberty Unleashed
Note that GTA3 and GTA:VC share some fundamental similarities and so having both teams working as part of a cooperative effort is for our mutual benefit. Also note that the 0.4 server browser is an extension of the LU team's.
You can recruit some more people in your team just like
-Fuzzy : active scripter and helping when needed
-Gudio: same as above
-Seby: same as above,he creates a lot of things too
Team members are usually recruited on an as-needed basis. I was first recruited as a beta tester simply because scripts were needed for testing 0.4 a couple of years ago, and since no scripting language had been developed yet, it needed to be done in C++. Were Pawn or Squirrel supported, I probably would not have been recruited then.
Developers are an even more elevated group that need to not only be competent in programming at a higher level (VC:MP is written in C/C++, and the ability to make a lot of scripts in Squirrel or Pawn does not imply the ability to write mods in C++), but also capable of being trusted with the entire codebase of the mod. Thus they're not usually recruited on a whim. Not only that, but there are already two highly active developers: maxorator and myself.
scripters say it's VC:MP fault and VC:MP team say it's not their problem etc.
Kindly point out a single time where any developer has said that the development of VC:MP was not their problem. You're probably confusing this with a couple of things. The LU devs who wrote the Squirrel server could not add functions that rely on client implementation before being invited to the team. The beta testers on the team do not have access to the code and are likewise limited.
The main reason why I created this topic is because I wanted to ask: Is VC:MP team still alive?
As heekzs said we've already had a public beta of the 0.4 server out for several months, and have been testing the client on an as-needed basis over the past couple of years. Responsibility lies solely with the community to prepare for the 0.4 release (which, as heekzs also said, is imminent). We will be encouraging people to upgrade by posting announcements on the 0.3 masterlist before shutting it down entirely. At that point, if the player base chooses not to upgrade because of the changes to sync and a refusal to adapt or lag caused by not reading the FAQs, that's their choice and we will respect it.
Ultimately the VC:MP dev team is not responsible for babysitting the community; all players are responsible for keeping their servers up to date and to upgrade to the latest versions as they are released. We provide the tools; you guys have to build the house.
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Too bad time for such a conversation, 0.4 is the only salvation for the VC-MP as someone like synchronization is his problem let it be already released 0.4 and run out of silly talk.I'm going to put a great server to 0.4.
Sorry for my english.
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A year Ago : Release 0.4 Already!, 0.4!!!!!!!!!!, What is the release date for 0.4?, Blah blah.
Now : 0.4? Nevermind I'm sticking with 0.3.....
I agree 5 Years was a big time but VC:MP was not as popular as SA:MP and VC:MP is not more than just 20-30 people and only 5-6 Developers So 5 years should be expected!
0.4 is probably in it's last or second last beta right now so You're too late to make this topic.I suggest you to Forget The Past and See to the Future.
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Honey is right you have to go over time and develop a VC-MP and not be 10 years for version 0.3.
Version 0.4 should be released by the end of the month so that would be nice.
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You are complaining about 0.4's (non)release by years... And now, when it is almost released, you are complaining about it's slow development ?!
What a shitty atitude !
You will never stop to complain about vc:mp, because this is your tipical atitude !
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People demanded a new version, because they wanted to have a superb multiplayer. From what I noticed, many people don't like 0.4's synchronization and that's why there is so much "silly talk" @Mariu22S.
It's just like buying a car sometimes. First you talk with your parents about this for few months, because you want it, need it etc. And when you finally can get a car, you see only wrecks on sale and don't want it any longer trololo.
Scripters refuse to update? Sounds interesting. Can you name someone :)?
To be honest, I would love to see some new faces in the VCMP team. New people always bring fresh energy.
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It seems that some people think beta is just a partial version of the full 0.4 version which they believe was released just for testing purposes. And that developers actually have a second non-bugged version of the 0.4 release that they keep for them self. At least that's the impression I got from reading a few posts.
The 0.4 problem is that good scriptwriters haven't released any scripts yet so noobs cannot copy those scripts, change credits and claim it's their own script. Which is why people are still using 0.3 version. Because they cannot a script on their own to actually switch to the 0.4 version. Just release a 0.4 script which they can copy and you'll see all of them switch to 0.4.
Also, 0.4 seems to have some issues on the client version. At least the browser has for me. When i re-installed my OS it worked for a while. Until I've installed Chrome and then it stopped working. It's the same bug (probably the first in 0.4) I've posted in the 0.4 release thread. When I close the client browser the game path isn't saved so when I start it and set the path then try to start the client it starts in single-player mode.
Sometimes it says that it cannot find vice city executable. So I have to enter the full path including the executable and then it starts in single player. If I leave the path only to the directory and remove the executable I get that message "Could not start process". Which brought me to the conclusion that the browser has some issues when parsing that path and executing the vice city launcher. Because the process doesn't even start and if it starts it goes into singe player. Anyway, weird issue and some should take a look at how the browser is executing the vice city launcher.
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There is no ready-made script execution = less servers, less servers = more players on servers
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It seems that some people think beta is just a partial version of the full 0.4 version which they believe was released just for testing purposes. And that developers actually have a second non-bugged version of the 0.4 release that they keep for them self. At least that's the impression I got from reading a few posts.
This is a rather silly assumption for people to make, since there's no incentive for us to release an intentionally broken version of 0.4 only to release a fully unbroken version on release. 0.4 is a complete rewrite of the multiplayer mod, and so there are bound to be bugs that need to be fixed over time, and we've already fixed a good many of them since Beta 1.
Also, 0.4 seems to have some issues on the client version. At least the browser has for me. When i re-installed my OS it worked for a while. Until I've installed Chrome and then it stopped working. It's the same bug (probably the first in 0.4) I've posted in the 0.4 release thread. When I close the client browser the game path isn't saved so when I start it and set the path then try to start the client it starts in single-player mode.
This would probably depend on what version of the browser you have; the latest version is guaranteed to install to and save in a user's application data instead of Program Files, which could cause issues with saving settings and launching the game.
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@NC Zapraszam Cie na Bete Polskiej Sceny 0.4 w sobotę wbij jak będziesz miał czas, oczywiście nie będą tam wszystkie atrakcje ale można pograć będzie tam muli język co pozwoli grać tam zagranicznym graczom IP:92.222.25.150:6000 będzie włączony w sobotę :)
Jak coś tu masz więcej info:http://vc-mp.ugu.pl/index.php?/topic/269-beta-polskiej-sceny-vc-mp-04/#entry1477
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@up okay thanks for the invite! But let's stay more on topic :).
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This would probably depend on what version of the browser you have; the latest version is guaranteed to install to and save in a user's application data instead of Program Files, which could cause issues with saving settings and launching the game.
Ok, thanks for letting me know. As soon as I get some free time I'll test the client once again.
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I am not that guy who posted that topic about 0.4... and I've never said anything about VC:MP as you can see ,I have only 1 post(two with this).I don't have any problem,I just came here to say that the progress of VC:MP is very slow.You started the beta in august 2013 if I'm not wrong and still we are in this beta period,shall I ask if it's normal ?I've never seen in my life something to be in beta for more than 1 year.In 1 year I can do a lot of things,it's not a little time,that's the truth.I know not all of my points are true for you but that's what me or at least all the VC:MP players see;sorry for not mentioning maxorator too,just missed to type his name,I wanted to say that there are only 2 devs active and 6 lazy not busy.If you say so Stormeus,why VC:MP didn't upgrade in 5 years?If you pretend so and say you ''developers'' are busy why you and maxorator have some time to look into VC:MP and others do not like you?
I wanted to say that you need to recruit some people in the VC:MP devs group because 2 are not just enough to develop this mod for VC.Sorry for briging again SA:MP in this discussion,I just don't know another good example,they have an active team and just like you they have a job but the difference between they and your other 6 members of the devs group is that they at least give some time for their creation and not making it like a shit.
I hope that you don't take me wrong,I just exprimate my minds here because I love VC:MP just like other players do,I like this community,years ago when I joined my first time in SA:MP I didn't like it because it was a huge community,a huge map and I wasn't really a good fan of SA then when I tried VC:MP I just loved it,it wasn't that big community and it was just great but now that community decreases very fast day by day.You can succeed this mod if you become a little more active,let's do not see the past and let's see the future because if you continue like that VC:MP will end up in just some months having 0 players like LU.
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I am not that guy who posted that topic about 0.4... and I've never said anything about VC:MP as you can see ,I have only 1 post(two with this).I don't have any problem,I just came here to say that the progress of VC:MP is very slow.You started the beta in august 2013 if I'm not wrong and still we are in this beta period,shall I ask if it's normal ?I've never seen in my life something to be in beta for more than 1 year.In 1 year I can do a lot of things,it's not a little time,that's the truth.I know not all of my points are true for you but that's what me or at least all the VC:MP players see;sorry for not mentioning maxorator too,just missed to type his name,I wanted to say that there are only 2 devs active and 6 lazy not busy.If you say so Stormeus,why VC:MP didn't upgrade in 5 years?If you pretend so and say you ''developers'' are busy why you and maxorator have some time to look into VC:MP and others do not like you?
I wanted to say that you need to recruit some people in the VC:MP devs group because 2 are not just enough to develop this mod for VC.Sorry for briging again SA:MP in this discussion,I just don't know another good example,they have an active team and just like you they have a job but the difference between they and your other 6 members of the devs group is that they at least give some time for their creation and not making it like a shit.
I hope that you don't take me wrong,I just exprimate my minds here because I love VC:MP just like other players do,I like this community,years ago when I joined my first time in SA:MP I didn't like it because it was a huge community,a huge map and I wasn't really a good fan of SA then when I tried VC:MP I just loved it,it wasn't that big community and it was just great but now that community decreases very fast day by day.You can succeed this mod if you become a little more active,let's do not see the past and let's see the future because if you continue like that VC:MP will end up in just some months having 0 players like LU.
Now do not let's play in the hiring developers just let it 0.4 will be released as soon as possible
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I just came here to say that the progress of VC:MP is very slow.You started the beta in august 2013 if I'm not wrong and still we are in this beta period,shall I ask if it's normal ?I've never seen in my life something to be in beta for more than 1 year
You answered that your self.
I wanted to say that there are only 2 devs active and 6 lazy not busy.
I wanted to say that you need to recruit some people in the VC:MP devs group because 2 are not just enough to develop this mod for VC.
As you can see the source is quite protected and I have to (you also have to) believe that it's for the sake of consistency. Making the source public would span dozens of copies and distributions. With probably 1 or 2 lines of code different from the original. But those lines of code could make a huge difference when a server and a client talk differently.
So a new person coming to play this game wouldn't know which client to choose from and on which server does his client work on. Not to mention that you as a server owner will probably have to host a dozen more servers if you want to attract more people because those people will use different clients on their own that each work with their specific server.
Scriptwriters will have to document for every distribution out there and know the differences and bugs in each distribution as well. And as you can see all of this leads to an even bigger chaos with even more serious issues and bugs introduced. There wouldn't be a standard anymore and where there isn't a standard there is chaos.
And I haven't even started on distributions which can contain malware and all kind of viruses that you willingly install on your computer thinking it's legit. An antivirus wouldn't detect that easily because it's embedded into the code instead of being injected or attached to another executable. And even then you would think it's normal behavior and is just another false/positive alert since the client attaches to the game process and does some heavy memory modifications at runtime to control behavior of the game.
Now back to the issue why there are so few developers involved. Because it's hard to trust someone with the source code as already mentioned. Any one of these punks could mess around and release the source which would result in what I've just mentioned above. They just can't trust some anyone with the source code.
You seem to complain that the development doesn't go as fast as you want or as good as you want. But let me just tell you: Why don't you do it your self? Yes you read correct! Why don't you create a VC:MP version of your own and then see how hard it is.
This is free software people. Nobody is getting paid to work on it and nobody earns anything from it. Which means you have to get a real job (one that pays) to be able to make a living. And the real job will be more exhausting then working to maintain VC:MP. And the real job doesn't care that you must also go home to work on your hobby. The real job pays you and you have to deliver or else... And when you finally get home after an exhausting day at work. Coding for VC:MP will be the last of your worries.
Developers have a life too. Just because you don't have a life that doesn't mean they don't either. If you are some some 13 year old kid then you couldn't possibly understand this now. But you will, in a few years you will fully understand it and get to experience it as well. And then you'll see how hard it is.
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I just came here to say that the progress of VC:MP is very slow.You started the beta in august 2013 if I'm not wrong and still we are in this beta period,shall I ask if it's normal ?I've never seen in my life something to be in beta for more than 1 year.In 1 year I can do a lot of things,it's not a little time,that's the truth.
0.4 is a complete rewrite of the multiplayer mod
I'll be thoroughly impressed if you can write an entire multiplayer mod with the complexity of 0.4 in a year.
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You are complaining about 0.4's (non)release by years... And now, when it is almost released, you are complaining about it's slow development ?!
What a shitty atitude !
You will never stop to complain about vc:mp, because this is your tipical atitude !
You spelled the word "attitude" wrong,anyway.
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You are complaining about 0.4's (non)release by years... And now, when it is almost released, you are complaining about it's slow development ?!
What a shitty atitude !
You will never stop to complain about vc:mp, because this is your tipical atitude !
You spelled the word "attitude" wrong,anyway.
If you don't have any intention of actually discussing the topic of the thread, you're welcome to leave.
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You are complaining about 0.4's (non)release by years... And now, when it is almost released, you are complaining about it's slow development ?!
What a shitty atitude !
You will never stop to complain about vc:mp, because this is your tipical atitude !
You spelled the word "attitude" wrong,anyway.
If you don't have any intention of actually discussing the topic of the thread, you're welcome to leave.
No need to be rude.
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You spelled the word "attitude" wrong,anyway.
That's because in his language attitude is written with a single "t" (atitudine) which makes the mistake understandable. A mistake like this is probably insignificant and as long as the message is received correctly. No reason to be too strict here.
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Is there any reason to Continue the topic anymore?
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You spelled the word "attitude" wrong,anyway.
That's because in his language attitude is written with a single "t" (atitudine) which makes the mistake understandable. A mistake like this is probably insignificant and as long as the message is received correctly. No reason to be too strict here.
I know that.Eh,and what's the problem?He's romanian,as well as me.Why can I spell the word?
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I know that.Eh,and what's the problem?He's romanian,as well as me.Why can I spell the word?
What the fffffff**** is wrong with you people? Haven't you ever (in your whole miserable life) happen to not press a key hard enough for it to not be considered a valid keystroke which resulted in a skipped character? Stay on the god damn topic or get the f*** out and annoy someone else.
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I know that.Eh,and what's the problem?He's romanian,as well as me.Why can I spell the word?
What the fffffff**** is wrong with you people? Haven't you ever (in your whole miserable life) happen to not press a key hard enough for it to not be considered a valid keystroke which resulted in a skipped character? Stay on the god damn topic or get the f*** out and annoy someone else.
Calm down,kid.Go outside and take a deep breath.
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Locked before a personal argument breaks out further. The OP's been answered anyway.