And please, stop repeating that I'm "***iting" (what?) on the GTA MP community. And this makes me sick, when you change my words just to write a few lines more. I have never said anything bad about any GTA community.

Please see the following:

You want to know my prediction what will happen to VCMP? My predictions are accurate in almost 100% .
So, I have bad news. Even if the online player count is still above 100, this may be changed this year, if a VCMP update won't be released. More and more people will retire or turn into "Sunday players", like me, that play VCMP once a week, if not less. However, VCMP won't die, but servers won't have as much players as they have now.

Btw. I like to read "we made progress and soon something happens". I'm reading this for a few years now . Many people left VCMP few years ago and said "we come back, when 0.4 is released", hoping, that it will be available to download within the next months. And, while this didn't happen, they won't come back at all.

SA:MP is being player by more than 47k, so combined it's 56k! VCMP's 100-200 players online is nothing comparing to that.

And about LU, it's a really pity, that it's played just by a small amount of people. The main reason why it's not as popular as SAMP or even VCMP is... VC. VC is very similar to GTA3, but has a lot more possibilities (and motorbikes ), so if you have to choose one of two very similar games, but one of them has definitely more to offer, what would you choose? It's obvious, that you choose VC. Unless you are a GTA3 lover . Plus, LU was quite late released. After MTA:3 died, there was no MP for GTA3, so players either moved to VCMP or left.

Still no 0.4. No wonder that most retired players laugh, when asking "what's up in VCMP? 0.4 released?", because they know already the answer.

We can't compare SAMP and VCMP? Well, so the question is "can we compare VCMP to anything?".

One hundred is not hundreds .
@Saint: good luck then. However, even if your 0.1c based MP is 10 times better than R2, you won't get many players, see the start of VCO. Perfect MP, no crashes (?), tons of functions, maybe not ideal sync. But somehow it failed.

I think Glock made a good statement. Why some, let's say, 15 year old kid, who was 5 when VC was released (rofl), should play VCMP with a low player base rather than SAMP with a huge player base and multiple servers to play on it? We assume, that such a kid won't play VC, because of nostalgia .

I was thinking more about getting new players. Trying to find a reason, why someone should start playing VCMP.

Please tell me SugarD, how many of players that participated in the MTA R2 beta test were unknown for you? I think you know all of them. They came to see what's up with the good old MTA VC. But how many players does MTA R2 has in average during the week? Okay...

Plus, IV:MP is an unofficial mod, because GTA4 has got a build-in MP mode. It sucks from what I've heard, but doesn't matter .

Seriously, the player count will definitely not increase much, even if you stand on your head.

...of course I could write something like "tomorrow every player migrates from SAMP to VCMP and everyone will be happy", but we know that won't happen. I wrote what is likely to happen in the near future, when nothing changes.

Still talking about LU? Okay, so why is LU not as popular as VCMP?
1. GTA3, really. I played GTA3 after VC & SA, which was a terrible mistake. People who started with III loved this game, while it was for me a simpler version of VC (amount of weapons, cars, no bikes, helicopters).
2. The release date. Maybe if LU would have been released by the same time when VCMP, the community size of both game had been similar.

No, that's just what will sooner or later happen, when people lose interest in it. And I just noticed that most of you think this will never happen.
I'm supporting this mod however I can with my experience I collected for many years. If you have another opinion, then have it .

6. Spending thousands of hours to work on something that is played by 2 players? Then you must been a lunatic .

@SugarD:
2. You forgot about two things. First, this mod is not on the largest GTA mod base and I’m basing on it.
5. No, the community doesn’t work so. Some projects die, even when the mods were played by a large amount of player, look at Vice City Rage for GTA4. I guess you are referring only to MTA:III and VC?

I posted in this thread various reasons, why a kid who just bought a PC, will look towards GTA 4 (or maybe even SA, after he hears that many people plays multiplayer) and won’t even take a look on VC (you may not agree, but these are the facts). Of course, there are always a few exceptions… Right? So, if they won’t play VC, they won’t be a part of the VCMP community (obvious). VCMP’s mission should be therefore to make the current community, emm “stable”, because the possibility of reaching a player base at least 1k is impossible now. The highest regular player count now is 130. With an amazing 0.4, we could reach 150-200 (almost double the number, depends on how many players will come back after they hear the magic keyword), but it’s still nothing comparing to SA multiplayers.

5. SOL is a difficult project, they have ups and downs. VCO helped with a comeback? Don't think so. Anyway, according to their board at gtaf, there is more silence recently.

You are really just a positive pillar to this community, aren't you?

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NC, if you really want to prove that you aren't ****ting on VC:MP and other GTA MP mods, then wake the hell up and start looking for positive solutions. Constantly talking down upon VC:MP and it's Developers, (as well as other GTA MP mods), does nothing but make you look like a hater, and shows that you have no hope for a mod you are supposed to be supporting regardless of it's status.

Until you change your attitude and actually seek to help this community, I will not be changing my opinion on that.

He doesn't need authorization guys. It's not official, therefore he is providing fan-based support. The current domain isn't changing, so it's not a big deal.

I think Voodoo's cause clients to crash? Not sure if that was this version or a previous version of vc-mp.

IIRC, same thing happened in LU, and it was caused by the Hydraulics being enabled on the vehicle. I believe VRocker had disabled them temporarily as a workaround, so that might work for VC:MP 0.4 also until someone finds a way to sync them.

I believe Voodoos were tested as working, with disabled hydraulics.

In 0.4? That sounds a lot like how LU has the Yardie Lobo set up.

Something about syncing the hydraulics in these games just doesn't go over well.

You got a point Though... But if kids ( not like me ) trolling around that owners just have to SetTimer on a stupid heal cmd just cuz of abuses, duh its clear.... ( and they still give shit by running little meters away until time of heal is finished and tada! abused )

That is something server owners need to combat then by refining their scripts.

Why must missile ? I dont have one.

He's just joking.

@SugarD:
2. You forgot about two things. First, this mod is not on the largest GTA mod base and I’m basing on it. Second, this mod is nothing new and as you said “Can you come up with a decent, fun mod that you know how to make that hasn't been created already?”. There are at least a few mods to remove the loading screens, to remove the aircraft and for sure some to disable going into the pause menu after alt-tab. One of a well-known trick is to turn on the black-bars widescreen feature. So, it is nothing new. Now your point was null and void.
3. The xfire website is down now so I can’t get the statistics, but it was something like a few hundred people playing VC and few thousand SA. So it does work. Maybe there are issues with MTASA (which makes the GTA SA count lower there), but VCMP works perfectly from what I remember. And again you’re wrong. It is an accurate data. Fortunately, I’ve had some statistics lessons recently and I know that it is impossible to create perfect stats from the whole group, so you make stats basing on a smaller, representative group (e.g. you get a group of 1000 people, ask them “who do you vote for on the next election?” and get a very similar score to the official stats after the election, where millions people voted). And the XFire stats are really close. The proportion of VCMP to VC players is almost the same as the proportion of SAMP/MTASA to SA players. Anything else?
4. Please show me those kids then. Blaming on my age makes sense. One or two years ago, max was not so busy with his studies as now he is and worked on VCMP. Leave VCMP because of my age and play IVMP? Nonono, where did you get this from?
5. No, the community doesn’t work so. Some projects die, even when the mods were played by a large amount of player, look at Vice City Rage for GTA4. I guess you are referring only to MTA:III and VC?
7. Nonono. In both cases it was the developers choice to either release a stable version or betas. The IVMP team could also wait 4-5 years to release a stable version first, but they didn’t decide so, which was a right choice IMO.  Also, do you think no one will not download IVMP, because it is named “beta” or “rc”?  I think no one cares it it’s an alpha, beta, gamma, rc, nightly or stable version. If it’s playable, they download it.
8. I suggest you to relax and stop posting ****, because stairs look awful.
9. SIR, YES, SIR!

@Stormeus: one more time, now everything together. I posted in this thread various reasons, why a kid who just bought a PC, will look towards GTA 4 (or maybe even SA, after he hears that many people plays multiplayer) and won’t even take a look on VC (you may not agree, but these are the facts). Of course, there are always a few exceptions… Right? So, if they won’t play VC, they won’t be a part of the VCMP community (obvious). VCMP’s mission should be therefore to make the current community, emm “stable”, because the possibility of reaching a player base at least 1k is impossible now. The highest regular player count now is 130. With an amazing 0.4, we could reach 150-200 (almost double the number, depends on how many players will come back after they hear the magic keyword), but it’s still nothing comparing to SA multiplayers.

1. It used to be. Like I said, people didn't understand the true potential of modding GTA until the end of it's era and the beginning of SA's. That wasn't due to the games. That was due to when people figured out that they could be torn apart.
2. You just contradicted yourself for starters. Secondly, All of those already exist. I asked for ones that didn't. Please give me a decent answer.
3. I already told you, that is not a fair or equal comparison. It doesn't matter what one small source says and what you think it means. It is not true statistical data. You're also contradicting your own argument by saying the later GTA will do better, because IV:MP has less players than VC:MP right now, and it's for the newest GTA out there.
4. You brought up that argument yourself. You want an example of kids? Check out Argonath RPG. I know people ranging from 12 to 40 that still play VC MP clients.
5. And how many of them have been revived repetitively by both fans and the creators? Quite a few. Take SOL for example. VC-O helped them make a comeback, and after the split apart and VC-O shut down, SOL still continued on.
6. Of course it was the Developer's choice. You said that the player base was based on completion of the mods. That has nothing to do with what you said.
7. People who **** on mods they are supposed to support look even worse.
8. No comment.
9. Define stable. Last I checked, MTA:VC servers maxing out at 26 players back in 2005 with 50 or so online, even after ASE's death, was considered stable. Stable is nothing more than what you define it as. Unless there is exactly 0 or 1 players playing a multiplayer mod, then it is stable. All it takes is 2 people to interact. Anything beyond that is a surplus in stats.

I  dont understand what you mean

He's saying get the IP and take it to a website that can trace them back to a location. If it's VRocker's IP address, kick his butt. If it's not, ban the clown.